and deductions for the wealthiest americans along side detailed measurable up front reforms on other government programs, so that together -- >> such as? >> again, in medicare, in health programs. we've still laid out $600 billion. a couple of examples, but can you look at the details. we preposed reform and limit farm subsidies, which can save a significant amount of money, and in health care we proposed things, like, for example, raising premiums modestly for higher -- we propose to get the government much smarter in how it purchases medicine. those are just three examples, but there's $600 billion of detailed policy in that program which along side the trillion we did together that's already in place and the savings we get from wibding down these wars is a substantial package. >> you have a $16 trillion debt, and you did $1 trillion of it, and that was in order to get yo debt ceiling raised. how does that count -- >> it counts because it reduces the deficit. we're here trying to reduce the long-term deficit. >> they want new ones, the republicans? >> again, we're prepared to do these on the